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  • Fusion advice (again)

    I guess i hope analytical will reply, lol.

    Im a bit analytical myself.

    Fusing every leg:
    2 =3
    3 =3*3=9
    4 =9*3=27
    5 =27*3=81
    6 =81*3=243
    7 =243*3=729
    8 =729*3=2187
    9 =2187*3=6561

    Starting with 1* x and fusing y (combined) and z (combined). Always fusing into the LT that u want to star up.
    2 =1+1+1=3
    3 =3+2+2=7
    4 =7+4+4=15
    5 =15+8+8=31
    6 =31+16+16=63
    7 =63+32+32=127
    8 =127+64+64=255
    9 =255+128+128=511

    Point is, never fuse away an already fused LT. Only fuse away 100% combined LTs, and always fuse into the LT that u want to star up. If not, the losses are way too high.

    My LTs
    1 arya lucky bers scar caine mortar ariel dragon boris kate chro
    2 chro scar caine alpha stacy tagg dragon toro fox
    3 caine
    4 fox kate
    6 kate
    7 kate

    Tagg needs one extra 1* to be fusable. Not sure about Caine.

    I want a 8* Kate.

    Fuse "now" (and make 2 kate3* to combine in the end): boris1*, mortar1*, toro2*, stacy2*, chro3*, dragon3*, fox4*, caine4*. Ariel1*, bers1*, fox2*, tagg2*. 5 kates. Missing LTs total: 9. Waste compared to combining: 18
    Get kate to 5* and 1*, then fusion: 8 kates. Missing LTs total: 11 Waste: 15
    Get kate to 5* and 4* and 1*, then fusion: 16 kates. Missing LTs total: 21 Waste: 7
    Get kate to 5* and 4* and 3*, then fusion: 20 kates. Missing LTs total: 20 Waste: 3
    Combine kate instead of fusing: 23 kates. Missing LTs total: 23 Waste: 0

    So question is; what would u do? By choosing the top 2 options, i could maybe do it in one or two VIPs. By choosing option 3, 4, or 5, i would be looking at a long time and a lot of money, but also have less waste.

    I will work on fox when kate is 8*. I do realize ill be fusing her away with the top two options, but a 8* fox is a looong term job anyway, so..

    And yea, i have the uncommons i need to complete my circle already, thats why i go for the easiest to get rare (fox) after kate is done.

    Does it even matter that i waste a lot of rares by doing the first two options? Will i regret it? I have big personal stats, so i dont think they will make any real difference in war.


    (A little analytical too..)
    Last edited by TheD; 09-12-2014, 12:05 PM.

  • #2
    Re: Fusion advice (again)

    Keep on doing dice.

    Would be a waste to fuse up.


    • #3
      Re: Fusion advice (again)

      Ive been working on 8* Lotus for far too long. I am fusing other common LTs and what I have experienced is there are too many common LTs that you need at least one of. When that happens I have to wait till I aquire that LT. EX: I have 5* AK, Mia and Lotus. I cannot fuse them if I dont have at least one 1* AK. I know AK is required for jobs so this is why its taking me so long


      • #4
        Re: Fusion advice (again)

        Originally posted by Pmich View Post
        Keep on doing dice.

        Would be a waste to fuse up.
        Why? I get that fusing fox is not smart since im going for her next, but will i ever need all the other rares? For what? They help in war, but if the war formula is something like att/def*501(or more with sin)+everything else summarized, then the first part of the equation is so enormously much bigger (unless ur just starting off in the game) than the sum of the rest. It would mean practically nothing if i had one or ten LTs more or less. The way I see it, LTs are good only for ur inner circle, and those lts that have wanted bonuses.

        Am i mistaken?

        - TheD


        • #5
          Re: Fusion advice (again)

          It all depends really. If you have the money to burn, and don't care about the wasting of FP then fuse away! If you're willing to be patient, and not rush things then don't spend. By the looks of things you are a BSI and not LSI like me so dice jobs wouldn't really work for you and wouldn't be as quick to get the LT's you're looking for. (I have 300 stamina, takes me a few days to claim) If you have more stam or around the same you get the idea

          Quite honestly, UE is a pay to win game the ones who are highly ranked have spent the most money in the game. Unless some high level wants to call me out on this?


          • #6
            Re: Fusion advice (again)

            Originally posted by RoboCop View Post
            It all depends really. If you have the money to burn, and don't care about the wasting of FP then fuse away! If you're willing to be patient, and not rush things then don't spend. By the looks of things you are a BSI and not LSI like me so dice jobs wouldn't really work for you and wouldn't be as quick to get the LT's you're looking for. (I have 300 stamina, takes me a few days to claim) If you have more stam or around the same you get the idea

            Quite honestly, UE is a pay to win game the ones who are highly ranked have spent the most money in the game. Unless some high level wants to call me out on this?
            Thanks for replying guys.

            Im a spender i spend way too much on this game, lol. I have low stam, and refill eng only. My eng (with bonuses) is 1750ish. I know that combining is best for a couple of reasons, but if u want to get strong fast, then fusion is a valid option.

            The real question is: Does it even matter if i fuse away a lot of rare LTs that will never make my inner circle anyway?


            • #7
              Re: Fusion advice (again)

              Those extra LTs that do nothing help you in war either attacking or defending. Otherwise they are worthless unless you seat them for jobs (Barron, Scarlet, ect), EVE (Centurion) or PVP (Hotwire), or refills (energy or stamina LTs).


              • #8
                Re: Fusion advice (again)

                I wouldn't fuse away fox if I were you, you'll save a lot of refills on your way to the 8* fox by keeping her.


                • #9
                  Re: Fusion advice (again)

                  I sometimes get a little impatient, but ive decided i wont fuse fox. That would be stupid. Other than that - as long as it is an LT that will never make my circle, and does not have a bonus i need, no one has shown me a reason to not fuse it away. If the war formula i wrote above is close to the truth, 10 extra LTs wouldnt even mean 0,01% of my attack power. This is what confuses me, and also what makes me wonder why there are so many boss hunter builds.. Lts, gear, weapons, etc - it all is completely insignificant to your war strength, unless youre a low lvl with few allies..

                  Thanks for the replies, guys

                  the way i see it (simplified):
                  Duel: only 5 lts. We all know this.
                  War: stats vs stats (sin makes a difference) is 99,9%. The rest is insignificant

                  I would have around 3.300.000 attack from my stats and allies, an extra lt with 100 att and 100 def is a joke..
                  Last edited by TheD; 09-13-2014, 09:01 PM.


                  • #10
                    Re: Fusion advice (again)

                    I did make my 8* Kate. I collected some more Kates first, and then fused a lot of LTs that i knew would never make my circle. I spared Fox since thats the one Im working on now. Im almost at 5* Fox. 7* rare is the minimum to make my inner circle, which means Im 1/4 on my way to putting Fox in my circle.

                    I did, however, run into a new problem that I did not think of earlier. Doing westside i used my 9*penelope/2*vice combo for extra xp. This gave a nice xp return. Meatpack(fox) gives less % xp to start with, and also costs so little that my vice does not give enough xp for it to count. Its rounded down. All in all; now i need 0,5-1 refill more pr lvl than before.

                    Looking through the UWE wikia, I can see that westside gives the best xp return of all dice jobs. This creates the dilemma:

                    1. Do Meatpack. My best choice for improving duel strength. Get Fox to 7*, and maybe 8* down the road.
                    2. Continue westside. My best choice for lvling fast and continue to raise my personal attack stat. My inner circle won't improve, except that i after some time get enough Hectors and Blinks to make a fourth 9* uncommon.

                    The premise is that I will never reach Kate 9*, i cant afford it. 8* Fox costs almost half of 8* Kate (which is what I would need to make kate 9*). I have three 9*uncommons, and one 8*uncommon.

                    I dont expect any replies, but at least some of you can read a conclusion to my original post, and what new dilemma this resulted in.