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  • How much to five star an epic?

    I've been seeing people with 5* sins even though they're LSI. I am trying to decide if I should roll crate sin or just continue adding to my levels.

    Which will bring the better value?

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    Re: How much to five star an epic?

    I guess that depends if you are lsi or bsi? How much are you willing to spend? Think it is supposed to be around 1 epic every $100 but your luck may vary. Any which way I would say expect to spend at least $1k as you won't only get the one you want. Have seen some post that it took them $700 to get one copy of a specific epic.

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    • #3
      Re: How much to five star an epic?

      It's pure luck from my experience. I have rolled a VIP and got nothing one day then rolled 5 epics another one roll was 2 epics and a rare.

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      • #4
        Re: How much to five star an epic?

        To get a 5* epic you are looking around 2-3k I'd say

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        • #5
          Re: How much to five star an epic?

          I'd agree on $1k estimate. Also depends if you have recombinators on hand. BSI boss hunting for epic recombinator gets expensive quick, let me tell you..those bad boys just dont drop easily for bsi. LSI can just do the dice.

          But 5* epics are fun. Another route would be to get a 7* rare, which is more or less equivalent aside from special ability and probably less expensive (especially if lsi).

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            Re: How much to five star an epic?

            $400 $$$$ u may get more stars epic .good luck on crate roll

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            • #7
              Re: How much to five star an epic?

              Originally posted by Sinfonico View Post
              I'd agree on $1k estimate. Also depends if you have recombinators on hand. BSI boss hunting for epic recombinator gets expensive quick, let me tell you..those bad boys just dont drop easily for bsi. LSI can just do the dice.

              But 5* epics are fun. Another route would be to get a 7* rare, which is more or less equivalent aside from special ability and probably less expensive (especially if lsi).
              When I get a recomb from a boss I throw a party haha. If you Are going for a 5* epic you will most likely get a 6-7* rare on the way

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              • #8
                Re: How much to five star an epic?

                Originally posted by DvEight View Post
                To get a 5* epic you are looking around 2-3k I'd say
                Straight crate roll definitely.

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                • #9
                  Re: How much to five star an epic?

                  Originally posted by DvEight View Post
                  To get a 5* epic you are looking around 2-3k I'd say
                  Not like that bro..they can fusion them so it won't spend too much

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                  • #10
                    Re: How much to five star an epic?

                    Originally posted by Ninja711 View Post
                    Not like that bro..they can fusion them so it won't spend too much
                    If you are going to roll 1 crate specifically and try to get a 5* epic and fuse all the other ones you get on the way you are going to be really weak unless you are rockin a super high energy count to farm jobs

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                    • #11
                      Re: How much to five star an epic?

                      Originally posted by Ninja711 View Post
                      Not like that bro..they can fusion them so it won't spend too much
                      Fusion actually costs more after 5* because of the math... instead of 2 of the same epic to get a 2* epic, you need 3 epics (3^(2-1)). If averages play out, then in order to get a 2* epic without recombination, you need 5 epics (2^(2-1)x4-3). So recombination to 2* is cheaper.

                      To get to 3*... you need 3x 2* (you needed 3 to get each 2*) so 9 epics (3^(3-2)) all up. Without recombination it is (2^(3-1)x4-3)... 13 epics.

                      So on and so forth... but fast forward to 5* and you have:
                      With recombination: 3^(5-1) = 81 epics
                      Without recombination: 2^(5-1)x4-3 = 61 epics
                      Last edited by John Swift; 09-03-2014, 01:05 AM. Reason: wrong math...
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                        Re: How much to five star an epic?

                        Originally posted by DvEight View Post
                        To get a 5* epic you are looking around 2-3k I'd say
                        Pretty close to this... but a bit more, on average.

                        At 5% to roll an epic that means, on average, you need to roll 20 times to get one epic.

                        61 x 20 rolls = 1220 rolls. This is working on averages, but once you get to 1200 rolls, I reckon the averages are a good approximation.

                        1220 rolls / 3 x 80FP = 32533FP.

                        At $100 for 715FP that's $4550.
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                        • #13
                          Re: How much to five star an epic?

                          Originally posted by phpcb9 View Post
                          I've been seeing people with 5* sins even though they're LSI. I am trying to decide if I should roll crate sin or just continue adding to my levels.

                          Which will bring the better value?
                          The opportunity cost of rolling crates and getting to 5*... is on average 32533FP. That's 3253 energy refills which you could otherwise use on dice jobs. Depends on your build and where you're at, but let's assume you have 1200 energy.

                          Say you do Westside which takes 2550 energy to get a good chance of an LT and let's assume a rare LT drops 5% of the time. How many rares will you get with all those refills?

                          1200 x 3253 / 2550 x 5% = 76 rare LTs.

                          And because that's the same rare LT that's a 6* (64LTs required), on the way to a 7* (need 128 LTs). This doesn't include the Blinks and Hectors you get which will be about 1* ahead of your rare.

                          If you have 2000 energy at the start of this exercise you will have 128 LTs (7*) with 8* Blink and Hector. All of this also neglects the levels and associated FPs you'd get from levelling by expending all this energy (at level 500 on an LSI build, you'd probably go up about 1000 levels, which is about 5000SP!).

                          In my opinion, given all of the above, strictly on an empirical basis, dice jobs seem to be a better option.
                          Last edited by John Swift; 09-04-2014, 01:49 AM. Reason: Westside energy correction (from 1800 to 2550) - thanks Gibbleguts!
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                          • #14
                            Re: How much to five star an epic?

                            West side takes 2550 energy to 100% so substantially less then your calculations but I still agree that it is the better way to go. 9* uncommon is as strong in base stats or better then 5* epic. A few epics may be worth it but very few

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                              Re: How much to five star an epic?

                              This game eats money...

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