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    It seems that KS works diffently as anyone here thought. I have KS lvl 2. I had 3 times ~30 crits in a row, and had these results :
    First crit : 1,5x normal dmg
    10th crit : 2x normal dmg
    20th crit : 2,5x normal dmg
    30th crit : 3x normal dmg
    I tested this on multiple targets of different lvl. It seems that KS doesn't peaks, but dmg stacks slower, because the dmg increase is applied on bonus dmg only. Crits base bonus dmg is 50%, this means that with KS lvl 2, the 2nd crit will have 55% bonus dmg, the next one would have 60%, etc. However, I wasn't able to determine if it stacked on the base bonus crit dmg or on last crit bonus dmg. In the secons case, it would be : 50%, 55%, 60,5%, 66,5%... But this is quite hard to determine as the difference is relatively small.

    Anyone have more info on this?

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    Re: About killing spree

    Originally posted by eti View Post
    It seems that KS works diffently as anyone here thought. I have KS lvl 2. I had 3 times ~30 crits in a row, and had these results :
    First crit : 1,5x normal dmg
    10th crit : 2x normal dmg
    20th crit : 2,5x normal dmg
    30th crit : 3x normal dmg
    I tested this on multiple targets of different lvl. It seems that KS doesn't peaks, but dmg stacks slower, because the dmg increase is applied on bonus dmg only. Crits base bonus dmg is 50%, this means that with KS lvl 2, the 2nd crit will have 55% bonus dmg, the next one would have 60%, etc. However, I wasn't able to determine if it stacked on the base bonus crit dmg or on last crit bonus dmg. In the secons case, it would be : 50%, 55%, 60,5%, 66,5%... But this is quite hard to determine as the difference is relatively small.

    Anyone have more info on this?
    Crit damage isn't based on the bonus it's based on the base damage of the hit example below is with ks2


    150
    150+15 = 165
    150+ 30 = 180
    150+ 45 = 195
    150+ 60 = 210
    Etc


    There's another thread on this already don't know where

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    • #3
      Re: About killing spree

      Originally posted by Voodoo jester View Post
      Crit damage isn't based on the bonus it's based on the base damage of the hit example below is with ks2


      150
      150+15 = 165
      150+ 30 = 180
      150+ 45 = 195
      150+ 60 = 210
      Etc


      There's another thread on this already don't know where
      My results are incompatible with what you suggest. This can't be right as it takes me at least 8 shots to get to double dmg
      Last edited by eti; 02-06-2014, 12:29 AM.

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      • #4
        Re: About killing spree

        Originally posted by eti View Post
        My results are incompatible with what you suggest. This can't be right as it takes me at least 8 shots to get to double dmg
        Very accurate actually
        Last edited by Voodoo jester; 02-06-2014, 12:39 AM.

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        • #5
          Re: About killing spree

          https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...p=docslist_api


          Go here top part is ks calculator

          Enter base crit on a2
          Last edited by Voodoo jester; 02-06-2014, 12:48 AM.

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          • #6
            Re: About killing spree

            Originally posted by Voodoo jester View Post
            Very accurate actually
            This simply can't be right. Test it first before you treat me as an idiot... If empirical data can't confirm your theory, how can it be proved right?
            I had 3 KS of 30+ shots that followed this scheme, tested on different targets to be as precise as possible. I couldn't have more than 10% margin of error.
            150
            after 5 : ~180
            After 10 ~200-210
            After 15 : ~230
            After 20 : ~260
            After 25 : ~285
            After 30 : ~310

            This is what I've tested, and I am 90% right when I am to estimate a player's strenght at first sight, so please, give me more proofs than a simple theory that is invalidated by all the data my empire members and I collected (We had way more than 3 KS, only 3 went to 30+ shots, but we recorded a dozen of 10+ shots KS)

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            • #7
              Re: About killing spree

              Originally posted by eti View Post
              This simply can't be right. Test it first before you treat me as an idiot... If empirical data can't confirm your theory, how can it be proved right?
              I had 3 KS of 30+ shots that followed this scheme, tested on different targets to be as precise as possible. I couldn't have more than 10% margin of error.
              150
              after 5 : ~180
              After 10 ~200-210
              After 15 : ~230
              After 20 : ~260
              After 25 : ~285
              After 30 : ~310

              This is what I've tested, and I am 90% right when I am to estimate a player's strenght at first sight, so please, give me more proofs than a simple theory that is invalidated by all the data my empire members and I collected (We had way more than 3 KS, only 3 went to 30+ shots, but we recorded a dozen of 10+ shots KS)
              I've had over a dozen conversations with a dev on this. It works as I described. I have thoroughly tested it and noticed how bugged it was. It use to be able to get you to where you can one shot a level 3 jug now that's impossible to do

              Your data is flawed because I know you are using hs in conjunction which throws results off quite a bit as a normal crit and hs can stack... But killing spree is still only counted 1x despite that hit being technically 2x crits
              Last edited by Voodoo jester; 02-06-2014, 12:52 AM.

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              • #8
                Re: About killing spree

                Then how can't I get the right dmg bonus? It wouldn't be the first time the devs mistake on programming skills (Barricade that didn't work on defence, Suppress that lasted even if the target spent a token, last stand that could be used more than once a war)

                Edit : I've always counted HS as a single crit
                Last edited by eti; 02-06-2014, 12:56 AM.

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                • #9
                  Re: About killing spree

                  This skill is one that's working properly. The dev I've had these discussions with is the head of the department that handles bugs. Which he himself played sniper and tested ks extensively also on top of airmid and others including zero from fa, uly, many in rm.

                  It works exactly how I described for exact details please visit link and input base crit data on a2.

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                  • #10
                    Re: About killing spree

                    I can't get acces to your link...
                    Last edited by eti; 02-06-2014, 01:03 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: About killing spree

                      Originally posted by eti View Post
                      I can't acces to your link
                      You need to create an account... It's done like this on purpose. There are other calculators that are still being worked on and need to keep it under control till it's ready

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                      • #12
                        Re: About killing spree

                        I have a google account...

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                        • #13
                          Re: About killing spree

                          You logged in? It should allow you to see and edit it

                          If you're having issues still pm me I'll add you to the white list and it will for sure work then

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                          • #14
                            Re: About killing spree

                            No problem pm me your google doc email and I'll add you..

                            Now this calculator assumes damage based on even playing field and you always got the same damage on crit... And that you have ks2 and only used regular attack.

                            There are other factors to consider... This calculator is just to illustrate how it works.. Results will obviously vary.

                            Differences in eatk/edef will affect damage and thus the ks bonus.

                            Ks and hs combo also throws it off and other things.

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                            • #15
                              Re: About killing spree

                              Well... I never got to 3x dmg after 10 shots... My best non-headshot crit was 744 after 34 shots. I attacked a much weaker target at the 21th shot and dit only 607 dmg. My base dmg was at the moment, of 240-250 vs the weakest and 220-230 vs the first guy's strengh. I asked my empire mates to test him in order to confirm.
                              Even if you have the devs on your side, I can't get data close to what you stated... I'll keep up collecting data, but you're sniper too, maybe you should try it out

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