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  • Kastro
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    Totally agreed with ya!

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  • Aprilwine
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    So I decided to read up and educate myself with what particular style of "build" that I possess and after reading this thread I'm a little disappointed with the path I chose from the early beginning. Basically, to be BR21 I am weak as hell...but, somehow I got to that rank pretty easy. BSI builds are now stomping a mudhole in me. Nothing much I can do about it since I went with a hybrid build. Maybe I'm just disappointed in whats happening right now in these moments of the game...been having a lot of fun with this game up to this point so this must be a "wall" that time will help me climb over.

    I'm dumping all points into attack/defense 4:1...I have faith that in a couple of months I will be strong for my level but for now its like exiting a drop boat in Normandy 1942 and trying to make it to dry land

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  • Luca Brasi Jr
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    Originally posted by theEnd View Post
    I agree with everything you said, and that is why I have limited myself in terms of getting BP and haven't battled anyone in a long time. Right now I level once every two days and my only goal is to become a high level with a high bsi. But yes, it's all about you choose to play. Point is, a bsi build exists.
    no doubt it does. all im saying is that it's limitations are much greater than the latter.

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  • theEnd
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    Originally posted by Luca Brasi Jr View Post
    Right... time and patience.. you are good for your level. but what happens when the higher ups come for you badge. you can't defend against them. you will always be at a lost because you chose to level once a week. so that's 5 sp per week vs someone who is getting 20-40 sp per week. granted you have high att/def... but you're still limited to just that. But in the end, it's all about how you as a player choose to play. personally, i couldn't handle the pure BSI route. i would get bored very fast at the risk of saying i have 8.4 bsi but im still doing jobs in the downtown area.

    VJ said the endgame will all be the same without new content. I agree. It's how you go about getting there. Some choose to be high energy/high stamina.. others choose the high att/def. but naturally the high stam/eng build will get there sooner than the other.
    I agree with everything you said, and that is why I have limited myself in terms of getting BP and haven't battled anyone in a long time. Right now I level once every two days and my only goal is to become a high level with a high bsi. But yes, it's all about how you choose to play. Point is, a bsi build exists.
    Last edited by theEnd; 01-30-2014, 07:07 PM.

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  • Luca Brasi Jr
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    Originally posted by theEnd View Post
    BSI does exist, and I consider myself a BSI build. Why?

    I have a bsi of 8.4 at level 182 but thats only because I have never dropped a single stat point from achievements, jobs, and leveling into stamina and energy since level 10. The only way to achieve and maintain a high bsi is to start with it and stick to it until the very end. The leveling is extremely slow but I personally feel that it is very rewarding. As soon as you start putting points into stamina and energy, your bsi goes down the drain and it becomes exponentially more difficult to increase your bsi after that. A bsi of 5 is average meaning that it is a good bsi to have. It means that you have a sufficient balance of stamina and energy along with attack and defense. Anything higher means you are slightly more pvp orientated, anything lower means you are leveling orientated.

    Edit: I have never gotten refills, it just takes time and a lot of patience.
    Right... time and patience.. you are good for your level. but what happens when the higher ups come for you badge. you can't defend against them. you will always be at a lost because you chose to level once a week. so that's 5 sp per week vs someone who is getting 20-40 sp per week. granted you have high att/def... but you're still limited to just that. But in the end, it's all about how you as a player choose to play. personally, i couldn't handle the pure BSI route. i would get bored very fast at the risk of saying i have 8.4 bsi but im still doing jobs in the downtown area.

    VJ said the endgame will all be the same without new content. I agree. It's how you go about getting there. Some choose to be high energy/high stamina.. others choose the high att/def. but naturally the high stam/eng build will get there sooner than the other.

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  • theEnd
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    BSI does exist, and I consider myself a BSI build. Why?

    I have a bsi of 8.4 at level 182 but thats only because I have never dropped a single stat point from achievements, jobs, and leveling into stamina and energy since level 10. The only way to achieve and maintain a high bsi is to start with it and stick to it until the very end. The leveling is extremely slow but I personally feel that it is very rewarding. As soon as you start putting points into stamina and energy, your bsi goes down the drain and it becomes exponentially more difficult to increase your bsi after that. A bsi of 5 is average meaning that it is a good bsi to have. It means that you have a sufficient balance of stamina and energy along with attack and defense. Anything higher means you are slightly more pvp orientated, anything lower means you are leveling orientated.

    Edit: I have never gotten refills, it just takes time and a lot of patience.
    Last edited by theEnd; 01-30-2014, 06:19 PM.

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  • Voodoo jester
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    Originally posted by DvEight View Post
    Oh I'm still pretty low level so I'm not worried about leveling speed just yet.



    What do you mean they don't exist? They are good numbers to get an overall view of someone's build, don't you think? They (mainly BSI) just get used wrong so often that they don't exist now? I understand that LTs can play a huge roll, but at the same time for a majority of the UE player base they probably don't make that much of a difference.

    There is no reason to be a pure BSI build, to go from rank 21-24 you get a measly 15 SP, while at the same time getting raped by the elite in UE......... seriously 15SP.....

    I am all for some sort of crafting system, but it needs to be tied in with real pvp somehow. People at the highest ranks should get an item each day for holding that rank...... At the same time all three ranks in the top tier would have to fight bp decay daily, the higher the rank the more decay. This is the only way to implement some sort of true pvp in a game like this. All these scrub lvl 500 LSI builds with 1k stamina and 22+ badges farming way down to get their ranks and then bitching about being farmed cuz they are weak. If you want to be in the top tier of pvp you should have to fight for it everyday, no need for a leaderboard, badges would actually reflect your strength at the top. This would get rid of some of the super high lvl hitting lower lvls because stamina would need to be spent on higher badges.
    Dv8 I'm saying is that because of the limitations from refills and eventually running out of content everyone's builds will be the same. Because of the limits on refills and eventually running out of content lsi and bsi do not exist..

    With no way of obtaining more stats outside of leveling and respect builds will become "uniform" what good would lsi or bsi serve if everyone's build is the same? That's why they do not exist

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  • DvEight
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    Originally posted by Muppet View Post
    It's not to late to change dv8. Start pumping now fella. I do 1 stamina per lvl up personally and can't see me changing that for the next 500 lvls or more.
    Oh I'm still pretty low level so I'm not worried about leveling speed just yet.

    Originally posted by Voodoo jester View Post
    Yeah I agree dv8 but the thing is.. Lsi and bsi can't and won't exist without these 3 things..

    Without all three everyone's builds will be the same in the end ... The only difference is how they get there
    What do you mean they don't exist? They are good numbers to get an overall view of someone's build, don't you think? They (mainly BSI) just get used wrong so often that they don't exist now? I understand that LTs can play a huge roll, but at the same time for a majority of the UE player base they probably don't make that much of a difference.

    There is no reason to be a pure BSI build, to go from rank 21-24 you get a measly 15 SP, while at the same time getting raped by the elite in UE......... seriously 15SP.....

    I am all for some sort of crafting system, but it needs to be tied in with real pvp somehow. People at the highest ranks should get an item each day for holding that rank...... At the same time all three ranks in the top tier would have to fight bp decay daily, the higher the rank the more decay. This is the only way to implement some sort of true pvp in a game like this. All these scrub lvl 500 LSI builds with 1k stamina and 22+ badges farming way down to get their ranks and then bitching about being farmed cuz they are weak. If you want to be in the top tier of pvp you should have to fight for it everyday, no need for a leaderboard, badges would actually reflect your strength at the top. This would get rid of some of the super high lvl hitting lower lvls because stamina would need to be spent on higher badges.

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  • Voodoo jester
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    Originally posted by DvEight View Post
    The only thing I don't like is you #3 suggestion. They will find some way for that to cater to the LSI builds again and us low energy/stam peeps will fall farther behind
    Yeah I agree dv8 but the thing is.. Lsi and bsi can't and won't exist without these 3 things..

    Without all three everyone's builds will be the same in the end ... The only difference is how they get there

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  • Muppet
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    It's not to late to change dv8. Start pumping now fella. I do 1 stamina per lvl up personally and can't see me changing that for the next 500 lvls or more.

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  • DvEight
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    The only thing I don't like is you #3 suggestion. They will find some way for that to cater to the LSI builds again and us low energy/stam peeps will fall farther behind

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  • Voodoo jester
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    Originally posted by DvEight View Post
    So you are ultimately saying around a 5bsi endgame is pretty good?
    We'll you can get higher than a 5 but it would take days if not playing only respect... Or days of eve grinding to complete.. You can see already for me being about avg level in game will take almost 2 years to raise bsi 1 point..

    This can be fixed so that not everyone ends up with the same build but there needs to be several changes made..

    1) ramp up exp requirements for leveling every so often.
    Example:
    At level 1000 require an additional 1000xp per level

    At level 2500 require an additional 2000 per level

    In addition to keeping current ramp of xp

    2) implement a calculation for lsi, remove the refill cap and instead implement a cap on lsi stats and a specific lsi

    3) offer more ways to gain sp through crafting, special bosses etc.

    Individually these will do nothing but together they will ensure that endgame builds will always be different.
    Last edited by Voodoo jester; 01-21-2014, 01:10 PM.

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  • DvEight
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    So you are ultimately saying around a 5bsi endgame is pretty good?

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  • Voodoo jester
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    Originally posted by Iceline View Post
    Your logic is as fascinating as ever.
    Bsi is also dead and I'm going use myself as an example... I can't get anymore sp unless I level, or daily respect or new content is released as it stands my current bsi is 4.481804949053857. If I add 1 daily respect point it becomes 4.483260553129549 for a difference of 0.001455604075692. What this last number means 1 sp = 0.001455604075692 bsi at my current level. It will take a total of 667 days for me to raise my bsi by 1(assuming I don't level) now imagine people like maddog, db, beast, zero... How many days do you think it will take them to raise their bsi 1 point? I guarantee with the refill caps being set the way they are that it won't take nearly half the time to level up.. This is why bsi is also dead does not exist we all will avg out to 5 bsi in the end.

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  • Voodoo jester
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    Originally posted by DvEight View Post
    Well, technically the caps are only on refills. Level up refills your energy and stamina 100%
    Yeah. But because of those refill caps no one is going to be putting sp passed 2000/2000 (stamina costs 2 sp for each point)

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