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  • #16
    Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

    Sounds like they programmed it so that it behaves like losing the armory. That is completely unacceptable! Wow.

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    • #17
      Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

      I tried a lot in my first game with Gunslinger.

      The most efficient way to use him is to:
      1. switch to Gunslinger load out
      2. get a token
      3. wait for another X second (X = gunslinger minus token timer amount)
      4. switch to damage load out, use that token, timer + X
      5. switch back to gunslinger load out. timer - X

      Or, you can just use the Gunslinger load out to attack. I do it in easy wars. don't matter. In hard wars, i can't win the defender anyways.

      Originally posted by Blindaxs View Post
      He just keeps getting worse for me.. Having had him seated for 40mins (mind u I did get the 4 tokens finally after 8 wars @6* with 6* Envy) I switched off just long enough to use adren rush and went from 27 down to 25 tokens.. So any tokens you have built seem to magically disappear if you switch him off?!? What is that?! At very least we should get to keep a token if we earned it having him seated as the description implies.

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      • #18
        Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

        CS, if you look at my screen shots, you will see that your proposal doesn't work. My timer was at 2:37, and 23 seconds is way more than the 6 seconds I get with my 3* gunslinger and 5* envy. As far as I can tell, the only way to get the regeneration time reduction is to never unseat gunslinger. If you ever unseat gunslinger, then you lose all of your saved regeneration time. That's a ridiculously stupid power.

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        • #19
          Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

          One more point. You can switch out Joaquin, use your damage loadout, and switch back, and not lose the time savings that you've achieved with him. Gunslinger should work in the same way as Joaquin.

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          • #20
            Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

            Your images are very interesting, well I think this LT is still better than Gunner, which I never use. And I assume you have to seat him all day long to get the free stamina.

            Personally I don't like the power of these new LTs at all. But they are something new in the game. And I find Gunslinger useful to me coz I got BP title twice since I equipped him. Was pretty good.

            Originally posted by Carl View Post
            CS, if you look at my screen shots, you will see that your proposal doesn't work. My timer was at 2:37, and 23 seconds is way more than the 6 seconds I get with my 3* gunslinger and 5* envy. As far as I can tell, the only way to get the regeneration time reduction is to never unseat gunslinger. If you ever unseat gunslinger, then you lose all of your saved regeneration time. That's a ridiculously stupid power.

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            • #21
              Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

              Originally posted by Simplyawsomex View Post
              God Tier Black Market Lts (Huge impact): Acceptable Black Market Lts (Somewhat impactful): Vomit Inducing Black Market Lts (none/minimal impact):
              Centurion (2013)
              Envy (2015)
              Hotwire (2013)
              Scorpion (2013)
              Anson (2014)
              Rocket (2014)
              Miss Conduct (2014)
              Brutus (2014)
              Edge (2014)
              Joaquin (2015)
              Layla (2015)
              Gunslinger (2015)
              Trix (2013)
              Malina (2013)
              Victoria Vanderblit (2014)
              Gunner (2015)
              Seven (2013)
              Eve Armstrong (2012?)
              Fleur (post nerf) (2015)
              Yokozuna (2015)
              Buster (2013)
              Nightshade (2013)
              Ghost (2013)
              Tony (2013)
              Total Count: 5

              By Year:
              2013 - 3
              2014 - 1
              2015 - 1
              Total Count: 11

              By Year:
              2013 - 2
              2014 - 5
              2015 - 4
              Total Count: 8

              By Year:
              2013 - 5
              2014 - 0
              2015 - 2

              2012 - 1?
              With the right builds and compatible LTs that complete each other lots of your middle column can be. Ever fluer is great for someone bossing and wants to level class before she was out it was 1000 stamina for like 7 class experience without fluer non of the classes would be levelled

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              • #22
                Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

                Originally posted by MrSmall View Post
                before she was out it was 1000 stamina for like 7 class experience without fluer non of the classes would be levelled
                200:1 for Tier 2

                I think it's easier to just war for the class exp, definitely opinion though.
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                • #23
                  Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

                  If you have a 5 star fleur, what's the ratio for 1 xp? i.e. 1XX:1 ?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

                    Originally posted by SolidSnake View Post
                    If you have a 5 star fleur, what's the ratio for 1 xp? i.e. 1XX:1 ?
                    111.1 stamina:1 exp (5-star Fleur gives 80% extra class xp for Tier 2 classes)
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                    • #25
                      Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

                      The timer change seems odd. I would even go so far as to say that the tokens disappearing could be a glitch. Until that is fixed, I guess you just use the tokens before the switch.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

                        Thanks Cthulu

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                        • #27
                          Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

                          I think your calculations are fine but your conclusions are wrong. Correctly you say:

                          1 star=120/[3-(2/60)]=40.45 tokens
                          2 star=120/[3-(3/60)]=40.68 tokens
                          3 star=120/[3-(4/60)]=40.91 tokens
                          4 star=120/[3-(5/60)]=41.14 tokens
                          5 star=120/[3-(6/60)]=41.38 tokens
                          6 star=120/[3-(7/60)]=41.62 tokens
                          7 star=120/[3-(8/60)]=41.86 tokens
                          8 star=120/[3-(9/60)]=42.11 tokens
                          9 star=120/[3-(10/60)]=42.35 tokens

                          but wrongly conclude:

                          1 star=40.45 tokens=0 tokens
                          2 star=40.68 tokens=0 tokens
                          3 star=40.91 tokens=0 tokens
                          4 star=41.14 tokens=1 token
                          5 star=41.38 tokens=1 token
                          6 star=41.62 tokens=1 token
                          7 star=41.86 tokens=1 token
                          8 star=42.11 tokens=2 tokens
                          9 star=42.35 tokens=2 tokens

                          40.45 tokens do not mean 40 tokens, it means 41 tokens. My point is that on a 120 min war with 3 min tokens players without Gunslinger get exactly 40 tokens because the token clock ends exactly the same second as when the war ends. So what does 40.45 tokens mean? It means that 1-3 star Gunslinger gets a his 40th token and the war does not end exactly the same second as the token clocks ends. He gets a few more seconds thus a 41th token.

                          So 1-3 star 1 extra token
                          4-7 star 2 extra tokens
                          8-9 star 3 extra tokens.

                          I have a 4* gunslinger and I'm glad I do!
                          Last edited by Pan_Man; 01-23-2016, 10:38 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

                            40.45 tokens do not mean 40 tokens, it means 41 tokens. My point is that on a 120 min war with 3 min tokens players without Gunslinger get exactly 40 tokens because the token clock ends exactly the same second as when the war ends. So what does 40.45 tokens mean? It means that 1-3 star Gunslinger gets a his 40th token and the war does not end exactly the same second as the token clocks ends. He gets a few more seconds thus a 41th token.

                            So 1-3 star 1 extra token
                            4-7 star 2 extra tokens
                            8-9 star 3 extra tokens.

                            I have a 4* gunslinger and I'm glad I do!
                            You are having a little false reasoning. The clock never ends exactly on the end of the war. Because of the way token generation works (mostly the fact that there are actually 121 minutes in a war due to server reasons), you still do not get an extra token if you are 45% of the way to the next token, you do not get the token. You only get 1 if you can catch the full token cycle back again (or at least be less than 1 min away which would be 67% of a token).

                            Therefore, it is actually 1-2 star = 0 tokens
                            3-6 star = 0 tokens
                            and 7-9 star = 0 tokens

                            Again, these number all differ if you are talking about any other armory.
                            Last edited by PerpleX; 01-24-2016, 05:26 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

                              Lets test this theory

                              With 4 star Gunslinger (which I have):


                              1 0:02:55
                              2 0:05:50
                              3 0:08:45
                              4 0:11:40
                              5 0:14:35
                              6 0:17:30
                              7 0:20:25
                              8 0:23:20
                              9 0:26:15
                              10 0:29:10
                              11 0:32:05
                              12 0:35:00
                              13 0:37:55
                              14 0:40:50
                              15 0:43:45
                              16 0:46:40
                              17 0:49:35
                              18 0:52:30
                              19 0:55:25
                              20 0:58:20
                              21 1:01:15
                              22 1:04:10
                              23 1:07:05
                              24 1:10:00
                              25 1:12:55
                              26 1:15:50
                              27 1:18:45
                              28 1:21:40
                              29 1:24:35
                              30 1:27:30
                              31 1:30:25
                              32 1:33:20
                              33 1:36:15
                              34 1:39:10
                              35 1:42:05
                              36 1:45:00
                              37 1:47:55
                              38 1:50:50
                              39 1:53:45
                              40 1:56:40
                              41 1:59:35
                              42 2:02:30

                              5 star Gunslinger

                              1 0:02:54
                              2 0:05:48
                              3 0:08:42
                              4 0:11:36
                              5 0:14:30
                              6 0:17:24
                              7 0:20:18
                              8 0:23:12
                              9 0:26:06
                              10 0:29:00
                              11 0:31:54
                              12 0:34:48
                              13 0:37:42
                              14 0:40:36
                              15 0:43:30
                              16 0:46:24
                              17 0:49:18
                              18 0:52:12
                              19 0:55:06
                              20 0:58:00
                              21 1:00:54
                              22 1:03:48
                              23 1:06:42
                              24 1:09:36
                              25 1:12:30
                              26 1:15:24
                              27 1:18:18
                              28 1:21:12
                              29 1:24:06
                              30 1:27:00
                              31 1:29:54
                              32 1:32:48
                              33 1:35:42
                              34 1:38:36
                              35 1:41:30
                              36 1:44:24
                              37 1:47:18
                              38 1:50:12
                              39 1:53:06
                              40 1:56:00
                              41 1:58:54
                              42 2:01:48

                              with 6 star Gunslinger

                              1 0:02:53
                              2 0:05:46
                              3 0:08:39
                              4 0:11:32
                              5 0:14:25
                              6 0:17:18
                              7 0:20:11
                              8 0:23:04
                              9 0:25:57
                              10 0:28:50
                              11 0:31:43
                              12 0:34:36
                              13 0:37:29
                              14 0:40:22
                              15 0:43:15
                              16 0:46:08
                              17 0:49:01
                              18 0:51:54
                              19 0:54:47
                              20 0:57:40
                              21 1:00:33
                              22 1:03:26
                              23 1:06:19
                              24 1:09:12
                              25 1:12:05
                              26 1:14:58
                              27 1:17:51
                              28 1:20:44
                              29 1:23:37
                              30 1:26:30
                              31 1:29:23
                              32 1:32:16
                              33 1:35:09
                              34 1:38:02
                              35 1:40:55
                              36 1:43:48
                              37 1:46:41
                              38 1:49:34
                              39 1:52:27
                              40 1:55:20
                              41 1:58:13
                              42 2:01:06

                              7 star Gunslinger

                              1 0:02:52
                              2 0:05:44
                              3 0:08:36
                              4 0:11:28
                              5 0:14:20
                              6 0:17:12
                              7 0:20:04
                              8 0:22:56
                              9 0:25:48
                              10 0:28:40
                              11 0:31:32
                              12 0:34:24
                              13 0:37:16
                              14 0:40:08
                              15 0:43:00
                              16 0:45:52
                              17 0:48:44
                              18 0:51:36
                              19 0:54:28
                              20 0:57:20
                              21 1:00:12
                              22 1:03:04
                              23 1:05:56
                              24 1:08:48
                              25 1:11:40
                              26 1:14:32
                              27 1:17:24
                              28 1:20:16
                              29 1:23:08
                              30 1:26:00
                              31 1:28:52
                              32 1:31:44
                              33 1:34:36
                              34 1:37:28
                              35 1:40:20
                              36 1:43:12
                              37 1:46:04
                              38 1:48:56
                              39 1:51:48
                              40 1:54:40
                              41 1:57:32
                              42 2:00:24

                              So I guess I'm wrong and you are partially right. You get a 42nd token with a 7 star Gunslinger if the war goes slightly longer than 120 minutes.

                              Now about the 20% change of getting +4 tokens at the beginning of EvE that 4 star Gunslinger gives you. Supposedly that means every 5 wars you start with 14 tokens. I have played like about 50 wars with my 4 star Gunslinger and only once have I entered the war with 14 tokens. This is very disappointing.

                              After all this analysis, I don't like my Gunslinger any more. Probably will fuse him for a 5 star Joaquin.
                              Last edited by Pan_Man; 01-24-2016, 06:45 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Gunslinger Lt Math

                                Well as for the unsuccessful attempts at generating the extra tokens, that would most likely be either variance or an error in the programming. I have seen multiple glitches reported with him, so it is reasonable to say that he has some bugs.

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